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Rob and Kirk Discuss "The Drunk Camerman" in "The Bourne Supremacy"
(By Kirk 5/16/05)
The folowing is a summarization of a conversation between Kirk and Rob. It is not verbatim and is greatly fictionalized.
Rob Said:
Kirk, I have a "rant" I want to put up on the website, but I need your help.
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Kirk Replied:
What is it?
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Yeah? |
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Well, we loved "Identity" in the theater, and it was great at home, but I'd never seen "Supremacy" at all. |
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Yeah. |
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Well, what the hell? Couldn't they hold the camera still for two seconds? All that stupid jerky camera work gave me a headache and totally ruined what could've been a great movie. |
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So that's what you want to rant about? The camera work in "The Bourne Supremacy"? |
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Well, yeah. But not just there. It's way overused. They do it on every crime drama on TV; They do it in every film that is trying to be artsy; They even do it on commercials all the time. Remember way back on the "Dockers" commercial? We used to call it "the drunk camera man". |
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Yeah, it is overdone. The problem is that I don't agree with your specific example. |
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I agree that it can be annoying, especially when they do it just to be doing it. But in "The Bourne Supremacy" I felt like they were using hand held cameras for a good reason and I really liked it. |
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What possible reason is there for not being able to hold a camera still? Couldn't they afford a tripod? My video camera only cost a few hundred bucks and even it has digital stabilization on it. Even I can hold a camera still. |
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Whoa. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying I disagree with you. If you want to put a rant on the website, please do. I don't have to agree with you. Darren disagrees with most of my ugly cars list. |
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But how can you possibly believe that damn shaky camera is good? |
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Look, I'm not the only person who liked it in "Supremacy". A lot of critics cited the camera work as something they really liked about the film. ( 1 | 2 | 3) If you're going to rant about it, you need to be aware of that. |
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OK, fine. Why do you think that it's good? |
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Well the argument goes something like this: Hand-held cameras add a sense of urgency to a scene, because they make you feel like you're there. |
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But I don't feel like I'm there, because I'm too bugged that they couldn't hold the camera still. I'm too busy looking at the camera work to feel any sense of urgency. |
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I think the idea is that it gives a sense that it could be a documentary. That a camera person just happened to be there to catch the action. Think about " Blair Witch Project". Because they used hand-held cameras, you got drawn into believing that this actually happened. |
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But in "Blair Witch" it was justified, because they were trying to make it all look that way. But do you really expect me to believe that a cameraman just happened to be in the room with these two spies who are fighting. |
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I don't think that they're trying to fool you into really thinking that. I think it's more subconcious. For a populace that has been trained by watching "COPS", a hand held camera just makes you feel like you're watching something real and immediate. |
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But instead it ends up being distracting. I spent the whole movie being mad about the camera moving. I wasn't drawn in at all. |
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Well, I suppose that your experience pretty much negates the theory, but it worked for me. Before "Bourne Supremacy", the director, Paul Greengrass, did a movie called " Bloody Sunday". |
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No. It was about the event that inspired the U2 song. A massacre in Derry, Ireland back in '72.
But here's what they did: They basically re-enacted the events of that day and then just had hand-held cameras film the whole thing. When you watch it, it's hard to shake the feeling that you're watching real documentary footage.
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I can see why that would be good. And I can see why it was good for "Blair Witch". But why did he have to do it for a fictional movie, where there's no way a camera person could have caught the events? Are you saying they're just trying to fool me? |
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Well, here's the deal - I don't agree with you, but if you want to write something up about it, I'll turn it into a webpage.
Hell, call Darren. See if he agrees with you. Maybe he'll help you write it up.
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Fine. I'll get back to you. |
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